Welcome to Kakariki, Care, Breeding, Diet, Health, Aviaries and Conservation!
Ask Questions, Find Answers and DiscussionsKakariki Member Pics, Mutation/Species IdentificationInformation on Permits, Research Papers etcLinks to Other Sites and InformationYour A/C Details, Messages

     GT Modules
· Home
· Forums
· Recommend Us
· Email Webmaster
Email Webmaster for any problems with Registering, the site and General Enquires
·Link to Us, Details
Set to your default home page· Set Home page


       QuickSearch
Search Forums
for key Words
Advanced Search
 Search  Words

     NZ Conservation Projects


DoC / NZ Conservation Sites


MOTUIHE PROJECT
Kiwi House and Native Bird Park
Karori Wildlife Sanctuary Wellington, NZ
New Zealand Brown Teal (Pateke)
Royal Forest and Bird Protection Society of New Zealand


Kakariki, Care, Breeding, Diet, Health, Aviaries and Conservation: Forums

Kakariki, Care, Breeding, Ecology, and Conservation :: View topic - Mutation? female?
 Forum FAQForum FAQ    SearchSearch     Log inLog in/Register  

Mutation? female?
Goto page 1, 2  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Kakariki, Care, Breeding, Ecology, and Conservation Forum Index -> Kakariki Mutations and Species
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
BirdNerd
Regular Member
Regular Member


Joined: Jul 05, 2012
Posts: 17

PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 7:10 pm    Post subject: Mutation? female?

I am a new kak owner and I am trying to learn as much as i can. Could anyone tell me what to call my kak Spree's mutation and if she is actiually female? Thank you


IMAG0456-1-2-1-1-1.jpg
 Description:
 Filesize:  8.52 KB
 Viewed:  3789 Time(s)

IMAG0456-1-2-1-1-1.jpg


Back to top
BirdNerd
Regular Member
Regular Member


Joined: Jul 05, 2012
Posts: 17

PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 7:25 pm    Post subject:

Another view


IMAG0454-1-1.jpg
 Description:
 Filesize:  11.19 KB
 Viewed:  3784 Time(s)

IMAG0454-1-1.jpg



IMAG0453-3.jpg
 Description:
 Filesize:  10.46 KB
 Viewed:  3784 Time(s)

IMAG0453-3.jpg


Back to top
BirdNerd
Regular Member
Regular Member


Joined: Jul 05, 2012
Posts: 17

PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 7:40 pm    Post subject:

I apologize about the photo quality, I had to crop a lot in order to upload and the pictures were taken with my phone.
Back to top
Peter
Foundation Member
Foundation Member


Joined: Oct 15, 2004
Posts: 599

PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 5:10 am    Post subject:

My first impression was a pied but it looks like the green has some masking effect on the red frontal band and the red spots behind the eye. It intrigues me. Could you post some higher quality pics?
Back to top
BirdNerd
Regular Member
Regular Member


Joined: Jul 05, 2012
Posts: 17

PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 2:05 pm    Post subject:

I hope this picture is a better view. I am curious to know what she is.


1341622838246-1-1-1-1.jpg
 Description:
 Filesize:  11.33 KB
 Viewed:  3753 Time(s)

1341622838246-1-1-1-1.jpg


Back to top
BirdNerd
Regular Member
Regular Member


Joined: Jul 05, 2012
Posts: 17

PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 2:11 pm    Post subject:

More photos of Spree


1341622807364.jpg
 Description:
 Filesize:  9.22 KB
 Viewed:  3748 Time(s)

1341622807364.jpg



1341622825055.jpg
 Description:
 Filesize:  10.66 KB
 Viewed:  3748 Time(s)

1341622825055.jpg



1341622832019.jpg
 Description:
 Filesize:  11.38 KB
 Viewed:  3748 Time(s)

1341622832019.jpg


Back to top
Steptoe
Site Admin
Site Admin


Joined: Oct 06, 2004
Posts: 4529

PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 4:17 pm    Post subject:

Peter: the crown...as Im not at all familar with mutations, not being a good solid red crown, is that normal in mutations, yellow mixed in?
Steps

_________________
My Spelling is Not Incorrect...It's 'Creative'
Back to top
Peter
Foundation Member
Foundation Member


Joined: Oct 15, 2004
Posts: 599

PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 9:05 pm    Post subject:

It's a recessive pied female, probably combined with dominant pied. The high amount of pied and the black eyes (no iris) are characteristics of recessive pied.
A peculiarity is the dark frontal band above the nostrils which must be red.
@Steptoe: yes the crown is not a solid red. It demonstates it is a hybrid which is not uncommon. In fact it is nearly impossible to find specimen with a solid red.
Back to top
BirdNerd
Regular Member
Regular Member


Joined: Jul 05, 2012
Posts: 17

PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 6:43 pm    Post subject:

It is quite hard to see in the pictures but she does have a dark reddish-brown iris of the eye. I can see it easily in person and you can see it faintly in the second to last picture i posted. Also she has red patches just under both of her wings, as well as dark green patches under her right wing and between both wings on her back. Upon futher examination, it looks to me like the frontal band just above her nares is both red and green mixed. I'm not sure if any of this is relevant, but I thought I'd mention it. Thank you for all of the info, you two have been very helpful.
Back to top
wyndara
Snr Member
Snr Member


Joined: Jun 19, 2005
Posts: 113

PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:00 am    Post subject:

Peter, I have seen a kakariki here in aus with the same dark frontal band . The bird had at least half of the red crown in a dark green almost black band above the cere. It also was a .yellow pied bird as in the picture. I think we need to be a bit carefull branding Bec or well marked pieds as hybrids because it is my experiance the pied gene plays havoc with the red of the crown area. though all the experts say pied does not alter red in a bird. I believe it can dilute the red quite dramatically in some birds as in the photo of Spree.
Back to top
BirdNerd
Regular Member
Regular Member


Joined: Jul 05, 2012
Posts: 17

PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:05 am    Post subject:

The one thing i am puzzled over are the red patches on her body just under each wing. Is this a normal thing for most Kakarikis to have?
Back to top
Steptoe
Site Admin
Site Admin


Joined: Oct 06, 2004
Posts: 4529

PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:45 pm    Post subject:

yes
_________________
My Spelling is Not Incorrect...It's 'Creative'
Back to top
Peter
Foundation Member
Foundation Member


Joined: Oct 15, 2004
Posts: 599

PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:43 am    Post subject:

Hi,

Included a pic of the iris of a recessive pied. The colour may vary from dark brown to black. It is related to the amount of pied in the plumage.

@Wyndara. The reduction of red psittacine is also a characteristic in Agapornis Roseicolli. However it only reduces the size of the mask. I can be wrong but I don't think that the crown has a red layer masking the yellow underneath. If there is a dillution I rather expect an homogeneous orange colouring of the crown instead of yellow feathers coming through. Something like in a Aqua mutation.



RecPied-female-flash.jpg
 Description:
 Filesize:  33.3 KB
 Viewed:  78 Time(s)

RecPied-female-flash.jpg


Back to top
Steptoe
Site Admin
Site Admin


Joined: Oct 06, 2004
Posts: 4529

PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:53 am    Post subject:

Quote:
If there is a dillution I rather expect an homogeneous orange colouring of the crown instead of yellow feathers coming through

We held some hybrid s here some yrs ago, some of them appeared orange in the crown, but a closeup showed a close mixture of yellow and red feathers which from a distance appeared orange....
The orange band species is an orange feather band across the nose.

_________________
My Spelling is Not Incorrect...It's 'Creative'
Back to top
wyndara
Snr Member
Snr Member


Joined: Jun 19, 2005
Posts: 113

PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:12 pm    Post subject:

Peter, do you have any ideas on what the dark band in the crown could be?
Back to top
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Kakariki, Care, Breeding, Ecology, and Conservation Forum Index -> Kakariki Mutations and Species All times are GMT + 13 Hours
Goto page 1, 2  Next
Page 1 of 2
Copy Paste Text Here to Translate
Select Language and Translate

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum


Powered by PHPBulletinBoard © 2001-2008 phpBulletinBoard Group
PHPBulletinBoard port based on Tom Nitzschner's PHPBulletinBoard upgraded to PHPBulletinBoard 2.0.7
Standalone Developed Tested by: ChatServ, mikem,
and Paul Laudanski (aka Zhen-Xjell).

by Nuke Cops 2004




All Logos and Trademarks in this site are Property of their Respective Owners.
Statements and Views Expressed on this web site Represent the Opinions of the Authors.
Neither this Site or the Publishers of this Site Assume Any Liability for the Information Contained Herein.
ANY CONTENT from this Site can only be DISTRIBUTED/PUBLISHED/USED ELSEWHERE with PRIOR WRITTEN PERMISSION
ALL COMMENTS/PICTURES/CONTENT are the PROPERTY of the CONTRIBUTORS and 2004/2015 by WWW.KAKARIKI.NET

Web site engine's code is Copyright © 2003 by NukePortal. All Rights Reserved. NukePortal is Free Software released under the GNU/GPL license.
Page Generation: 0.525 Seconds